Talk:Firmware

What do you mean by protected? iTunes has to dl it somehow --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geohot (talk) 02:20, August 5, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

itunes probably checks to see if u bought it somehow... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChronicDev (talk) 02:35, August 5, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

o yea, forgot you had to pay for it :-) i wonder if the iPhone one would run easily? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geohot (talk) 03:46, August 5, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

funny you should mention that. my friend np1011357 got a 2.0 fw working, but I don't think people are brave enough to test any further :P

I do know you have to be pwned for it to work though... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChronicDev (talk) 05:34, August 5, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

I've never had any luck myself, but I suppose anything's possible :-) As for the actual word 'protected', the URLs in the XML are prefixed protected://. Perhaps those URLs are still of value? BTW, as far as I know, having a 2.0 beta installed will still allow "free" upgrades to 2.0. --Haldo 13:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

After reading a post on Zibri's blog today, I tested (and confirmed) that the iPod touch 2.0.1 firmware could be downloaded from Apple's servers. Should this URL be provided on this page? -Dialexio 00:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

That is a tough question... I may have to defer to geohot for that. It is unfortunately very much a gray area. Maybe we link to the file linked by Zibri? --Haldo 20:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

well if its on apples servers, then we are not really 'hosting' warez, not could we be connected to hosting it at all, unlike if someone uploaded it to rapidshare, then there would be reason to believe we were involved. although its a community wiki, for something like this, it is geohot's call. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChronicDev (talk) 00:35, August 6, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

My thinking is this. If Apple sells it, no download link should be posted here. But perhaps a link to Zibri's page about it in the resources area. ~geohot

WOW

ffs guys. i was hoping someone would figure this out. Anyone at all could just type 'strings iTunes' on the iTunes binary, and see that there is a link saying http://itunes.com/version, then another directly after is '?touchUpdate=yes". It's not even that hard if u disassembeld it in IDA --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChronicDev (talk) 18:54, September 23, 2008 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

Add defunct firmwares?

There are some defunct firmware builds referenced in Apple's XML file (i.e.- iPhone 2G 3A101a). Should these be added to this page, or not? -Dialexio 20:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

can we add recovery firmware like x12220000_5_Recovery.ipsw and the ipod touch 1g had firmware 1.0 iPod_1.0_36A00403.ipsw --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liamchat (talk) 15:18, October 29, 2010 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

I wouldn't add the recovery IPSWs on this page... maybe they could have its own page, though. The "1.0" firmware that you linked to is definitely not for the iPod touch 1G; it's not set up like an IPSW that contains/uses iOS (there are only three files inside of it, one of which references "N20", not "N45"), and the URL has a reference to the date September 7, 2010. I believe the URL is for the iPod nano 6G's firmware. --Dialexio 15:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Clarification of "Can be unlocked" ?

I think we need a clarification what the "Can be unlocked?"-Column means. Because Northstar 7C144 on the 3G can be unlocked using pwnage (i.e. if you stay at BB 04.26.08). However if you'd upgrade to BB 05.11.07 it can't. --M2m 03:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Quote Oranav: "There's no point for an "unlock" column if we write "yes, stay at X".

I totally agree on this, however the Columns also states "Yes (Upgrade to 04.26.08)" for BB 01.45.00 - 02.30.03, while technically currently a working implementation only is available for 04.26.08 (ultrasn0w - yellowsn0w is not available anymore AFAIK). Like this I would think for BB 01.45.00 - 02.30.03 it should also read "No (Though you can upgrade to 04.26.08)" - or something similar. Therefore my statement/request for a clarification. Regards --M2m 02:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that if the BB that ships with the given Apple IPSW is not unlock(ed/able) then it should be marked NO. It should be made clear elsewhere that 04.26.08 is suitable for devices looking for an unlock. Haldo 13:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

The main difference here is that for older firmwares there's an upgrade path towards unlock. For example, if you buy a 3G phone now with 2.0 and BB 01.45.00, it can be easily upgraded to 3.0 and unlocked. On the other hand, if the phone has 3.1 and 05.11.07 pre-installed, there's no such upgrade path. --Blackbox 18:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

What about changing the title of the column to say "Can baseband be unlocked?" and then only answer yes if there is an unlock available for the baseband included in that version? Rekoil 21:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've changed it to say yes only on the rows with basebands that can be unlocked "OTB". No one should have problems figuring out that you can upgrade to a version that can be unlocked if you're at a version below that cannot be unlocked. But maybe a clarification that you cannot downgrade basebands? --adriaaan 15:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Tethered Jailbreak

at this point with ipt3g a tethered jailbreak may be the only option we have. the chances of another bootrom exploit being found are rather slim. And find an untethering exploit beyond that is stupid/pointless. I know a tethered exploit sucks, but there's a real chance that this may be the only thing that's left! Should we mark is as "yes jailbreakable" or not? I say take it and be happy with what you got!! --posixninja 13:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, and I tend to agree for the most part, but a tethered jailbreak just isn't a complete jailbreak in my opinion. Plus if people keep looking I know a tether-less jailbreak will be found eventually, nothing is unhackable ;) --adriaaan 19:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I wish that was true, but most people average 1 exploit for every so many kilobytes, and bootrom really isn't very large. Even then there's a limited number of injection vectors to exploits. So the chances of bootrom becoming exploitable is actually a real risk!! every exploit that is found greatly decreases the chances another exploit will be found. Within the next 2-3 years jailbreaking on iphone will probably be extinct. 4 years max --posixninja 04:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well then in the next two years we'll "borrow one of nsa's super computers and extract the private signing key :D. Or get hold of a developer model and maybe there will be some interesting stuff on it. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revolution (talk) 12:11, October 15, 2009 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

Updated Bootroms

How can we note on this page that for some 3gs and touch 2G users (ones after September 9) they can only have a tethered jailbreak at the moment. Iemit737 18:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Easily find rare firmwares using Google.

A handy way to search for firmwares, is to just search in Google using the corresponding listed SHA1 Hash (or even just the file size) as your query. Perhaps someone feels like editing the wiki so that the SHA1 strings become links to the right Google search results. Example: http://www.google.com/search?q=7367dd9ba58a3b9777307368a0128e696fdfc9a6 and http://www.google.com/search?q=249%2C780%2C497 Harlekeyn 22:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I say no. Links for some of the iPod touch firmwares are missing because Apple sells or sold them. Not to mention, Apple's links to download them expire over time. (A third-party site hosting the firmware is copyright violation, which is a big no-no.) --Dialexio 06:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Forbidden

There are some IPSW links which instead of a download link contain just the text "forbidden". It would be good to know at least the name of this IPSW. To make sure nobody puts a working download link there instead (later), we could leave the "forbidden" text there and add a link to Google with the full name in the search query. I think that would be ok. What do you think? --http 19:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I suppose supplying the firmware name would be fine, but I'm not a fan of linking to a Google search of the name as it would still promote piracy/copyright infringement. Perhaps we could use the "protected://" URL that Apple supplies in the version XML, like how Trejan lists it. --Dialexio 19:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

4.0 Jailbreak

There is a userland exploit out there, and @comex (et al.) have verified that will likely work on iPhone 4 too. There is no such case as iPhone 4 having an exploit that an iPod touch 3G does not. Also this page displays if a jailbreak tool is available, not if a jailbreak has been demonstrated by geohot/chronic/dev-team/comex or Santa. -- Iemit737 21:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Dialexio, ok it sounds better now. But you also removed the two other jailbreak possibilites for 4.0:

• with 3.1.2 shsh (this one is listed)
• if still running 3.1.2, but no shsh
• old bootrom

And what does OTB stand for? -- http 22:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

OTB stands for "Out of The Box." I'll fix it up now. --Dialexio 23:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I saw that you changed it to virgin, but not everywhere. Can you make it consistent? -- http 05:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. :) --Dialexio 05:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

iPod touch 2G/iOS 2.2 jailbreak status

2.2 Timberline 5G77a iPod2,1_2.2_5G77a_Restore.ipsw 34a0a489605f34d6cc6c9954edcaaf9a050deedc No <-- shouldn't this be a yes with a superscript 1 for tethered as there were no real protections against using iBSS/iBEC from 2.1.1 on a 2.2 device, infact the run rs program was adapted to chainload a 2.2 iBEC/iBSS for devices that the NAND didn't detect with 2.1.1 iBSS --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lilstevie (talk) 10:55, September 30, 2010 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

Please sign any entry you make on the talk pages. There is a button that will insert the markup for signatures. :) To my knowledge, redsn0w Lite provided a tethered jailbreak for 2.2.1, not 2.2. --Dialexio 19:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

4.1 and 4.1on ipt4

What is the differance between 4.1 and 4.1 on ipt4? --Balloonhead66 22:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I presume you mean the difference between builds 8B117 and 8B118. The changes are likely negligible at most; it still has the same revision of iBoot and the IPSW still contains the kernelcache for the iPhone 4. --Dialexio 22:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)