Talk:Bluefreeze

Claiming false functionality

What? Are you joking? It works, have you tried it yet? I've worked countless hours trying to get this right, and you say it doesn't work? Look, try it before you say such things, I assure you it works. And where did I break the ground rules? These are all false claims. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by J0ker (talk) 14:45, December 12, 2011 (MST). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

These rules may come into play, but I only remembered to add them to the Ground rules page last night. (Previously, they were on Category:GUI Tools, but still enforced.) This page was created before the addition of these rules, but you were still involved with the program's creation, and creating the page yourself looks a bit like you're just trying to advertise yourself, which conflicts with this rule. --Dialexio 10:08, 12 December 2011 (MST)

i just wanna say i thing, stop thinking that you are a hacker. Learn Reverse Enginer, C, C++, Pyhton, Exploitation and etc. After you can say that you made an exploit :) --Zmaster 07:52, 12 December 2011 (MST)

I don't think I'm a hacker, I'm learning how to reverse engineer, I know java, I'm gonna start writing my tools in said language (probably). I specifically said it is not an exploit. And anyway that doesn't justify deleting this page. As I said before Bluefreeze works! And I have not broken any rules. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by J0ker (talk) 15:03, December 12, 2011 (MST). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

You say it does work w/o SHSH blobs saved from TinyUmbrella or iFaith, however, tutorials I have seen say to drag some SHSH file onto iFaith. It may work for yyou because that is an SHSH blob for your device. Have you thought of using a device that isn't yours? I will not try this out myself as my devices are not for testing, but for everyday use. --Balloonhead66 14:07, 12 December 2011 (MST)

Yes Indeed, It says to drag an ios 5.0.1 shsh blob (which are available to everyone right now), it then generates a ios 5.0 shsh blob (not available to everyone anymore). This new shsh blob is used for the downgrade. Since the old shsh blob is available to everyone to get, that would not be an issue. I have thought of using a device that isn't mine, several! I have downgraded an iPhone 4 that was purchased two weeks ago to ios 4.1! And many, many others. You don't have to try it, but if you don't try it you have no right to say it doesn't work (and I'm not saying you said that). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by J0ker (talk) 16:38, December 12, 2011 (MST). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

Look J0ker, the Ground rules (previously stated on the Category:GUI Tools page) say that the author of a software is not allowed to add an entry here. But that's only a simple rule and I wouldn't delete an important article just because of that. While we are all happy that you and many others try to contribute something useful to the scene, it distracts beginners if they see such "tools" that don't work. If you understood how SHSH checking works, then you should know that you need a low-level bootrom exploit to circumvent this check. Even the smartest hackers didn't find any. What you are doing is something different. If you say "it worked", this is simply because you don't understand why. I didn't delete the article right away, because I thought with your tool you could downgrade the user-interface or something. Then we might leave it (with correct explanations). Instead of claiming "it works", "I tried", etc., you would better provide a good technical explanation of what you (your tool) is doing, or how it circumvents the signature verification. And not what you think it's doing. Every claim with a proof please. It is not worth to try anything that cannot work by design. You cannot "generate" SHSH signatures without having Apple's private key. Please open Cydia on your "magically downgraded iPhone 4" and look at the listed blobs. You will see the version you downgraded to listed there (or in iFaith). This is why you can downgrade. And it can be done without your tool much easier. -- http 18:16, 12 December 2011 (MST)

Wow, that's an intense amount of under-estimating you've just done, you act like I've never even opened cydia before. I'm writing up an explanation of Bluefreeze right now. Is this how pathetic I look? I'm mean I'm ashamed someone would even accuse me of such stupidity--The preceding unsigned comment was added by J0ker (talk) 17:50, December 12, 2011 (MST). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

J0ker, let me explain something here. I just tried your method on my old iPhone 3GS (no SHSH blobs saved whatsoever) to get from 5.0.1 to 5.0. I tried it to see if your method actually works, or, if what the other highly respected nerds on this talk page have been saying, that you just have SHSH for the version you downgraded to. Guess what, they're right. My 3GS in fact couldn't be downgraded by iTunes (and yes, I followed your instructions to the letter) because it just doesn't work. Felt like putting my 2 cents in, so there they are. --rdqronos 20:44, 12 December 2011 (MST)