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Why can this be installed on iPhone? I thought as of iOS4.2.1 there's a check for the bb version that must match the firmware. If a wrong (in this case higher) bb version is installed, then iOS doesn't boot. Or why does it boot now? And why can an old baseband be installed at all? Because the version number is higher and before iPhone 4 there was no certificate check? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
Why can this be installed on iPhone? I thought as of iOS4.2.1 there's a check for the bb version that must match the firmware. If a wrong (in this case higher) bb version is installed, then iOS doesn't boot. Or why does it boot now? And why can an old baseband be installed at all? Because the version number is higher and before iPhone 4 there was no certificate check? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:The sig check for the baseband only determines if the baseband firmware is lower than what it should correspond to the iOS firmware then it prevents a successful boot sequence. However since the 3G/3GS use the X-Gold 608 chip it can be flashed to a higher Modem Firmware. By doing so it uses the chips own programming to be exploited using the recycled AT+XAPP injection vector. This however could easily be patched. Now that I answered your question maybe you can help me with this one. Since the iPad has no lock in the baseband why is Ultrasn0w even needed? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 03:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
:The sig check for the baseband only determines if the baseband firmware is lower than what it should correspond to the iOS firmware then it prevents a successful boot sequence. However since the 3G/3GS use the X-Gold 608 chip it can be flashed to a higher Modem Firmware. By doing so it uses the chips own programming to be exploited using the recycled AT+XAPP injection vector. This however could easily be patched. Now that I answered your question maybe you can help me with this one. Since the iPad has no lock in the baseband why is Ultrasn0w even needed? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 03:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
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@http, fail in it's biggest form. who knows how long we can use AT+XAPP. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 11:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
@http, fail in it's biggest form. who knows how long we can use AT+XAPP. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 11:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
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Someone needs to write a baseband downgrader with this to allow normal restores again. And what really needs to be done is a bootloader downgrader, 5.8 FTW [[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
Someone needs to write a baseband downgrader with this to allow normal restores again. And what really needs to be done is a bootloader downgrader, 5.8 FTW [[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :in the [[25C3 presentation "Hacking the iPhone"]] [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]] did say that the [[N82AP|iphone 3]]g has [[fakeblank]] but it uses a hash to verify the [[Baseband_Bootloader|bootloader]] and [[Fuzzyband_Downgrader]] does a good [[Baseband_Firmware]] downgrade --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 17:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
@geohot, would the 5.8BL downgrade work on the 3GS because it uses X-Gold 5.8? but doesnt the bootloader get checked everytime by the baseband and vice-versa? another exploit like the one for the 3.6/4.9 for the 2G would be needed correct? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 17:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
@geohot, would the 5.8BL downgrade work on the 3GS because it uses X-Gold 5.8? but doesnt the bootloader get checked everytime by the baseband and vice-versa? another exploit like the one for the 3.6/4.9 for the 2G would be needed correct? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 17:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)! |
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| − | :no the [[Baseband_Bootloader|bootloader]] is now in rom so it cannot be overwritten and the old [[ |
+ | :no the [[Baseband_Bootloader|bootloader]] is now in rom so it cannot be overwritten and the old [[M68AP|iphone 2g]] exploit's where used to bypass [[secpack]] restriction's allowing the modification of the [[Baseband_Bootloader|bootloader]] and [[Baseband_Firmware|Firmware]] --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 18:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
::@Leobruh: Nope. All iPhone 3GS units have the X-Gold 608, but they have the newest baseband bootloader (6.4), which isn't susceptible to the baseband-downgrading exploit. Only very old iPhone 3G units have said exploit. |
::@Leobruh: Nope. All iPhone 3GS units have the X-Gold 608, but they have the newest baseband bootloader (6.4), which isn't susceptible to the baseband-downgrading exploit. Only very old iPhone 3G units have said exploit. |
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::@Liamchat: To my knowledge, the bootloader does not reside in ROM; otherwise, it'd be considered (part of) the bootrom, no? ;) The X-Gold 608 bootrom does check the bootloader to ensure it's not modified, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
::@Liamchat: To my knowledge, the bootloader does not reside in ROM; otherwise, it'd be considered (part of) the bootrom, no? ;) The X-Gold 608 bootrom does check the bootloader to ensure it's not modified, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::it does say on paragraph 6 in the [[ |
+ | :::it does say on paragraph 6 in the [[25C3 presentation "Hacking the_iPhone"#Part 2: Baseband .28by_MuscleNerd.29]] that the [[Baseband_Bootloader|bootloader]] is not in nor and why does apple not update all devices to 6.4 preventing downgrade --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 20:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
| + | ::::"the bootloader is alway's in the NOR" says otherwise. Apple never updates the bootloader in firmware updates because it's considered rather dangerous. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | == GPS Issues on iPhone 3G/3GS == |
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| + | I read somewhere today that the newest version of redsn0w fixes the GPS issues that have been plaguing 3G/3GS devices with 6.15.00. |
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| + | Truth or false? --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 13:42, 22 October 2011 (MDT) |
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| + | :False. That was just a misunderstanding of [[iPhone Dev Team]]'s update #14 of [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/redsn0w-iOS5 redsn0w update release comment]. They said "Update #14: We’ve released version 0.9.9b6 of redsn0w, with <nowiki>[...]</nowiki> For iPhone3GS owners with the 06.15 baseband, this redsn0w eliminates the network crash you saw when using Location Services in iOS5 (in fact, you don’t even need to disable Location Services anymore during the initial setup)." Some blogs misinterpreted this as the GPS problem being fixed. You need to downgrade the baseband to fix it and no downgrade tool has been released yet. -- [[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 22 October 2011 (MDT) |
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| + | Ah. And this is why I asked :) Thanks man. --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 18:03, 22 October 2011 (MDT) |
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Latest revision as of 09:49, 29 March 2017
This has to be the best AppleFail yet, being able to use this on 3G/3GS... Iemit737 01:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Install check
Why can this be installed on iPhone? I thought as of iOS4.2.1 there's a check for the bb version that must match the firmware. If a wrong (in this case higher) bb version is installed, then iOS doesn't boot. Or why does it boot now? And why can an old baseband be installed at all? Because the version number is higher and before iPhone 4 there was no certificate check? --http 00:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- The sig check for the baseband only determines if the baseband firmware is lower than what it should correspond to the iOS firmware then it prevents a successful boot sequence. However since the 3G/3GS use the X-Gold 608 chip it can be flashed to a higher Modem Firmware. By doing so it uses the chips own programming to be exploited using the recycled AT+XAPP injection vector. This however could easily be patched. Now that I answered your question maybe you can help me with this one. Since the iPad has no lock in the baseband why is Ultrasn0w even needed? Leobruh 03:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)!
- So the baseband version check does not check for correct firmware version; it checks for "lower than correct" version. #epicfail --http 08:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- @Dialexio, so you still have to patch running memory with Ultrasn0w for the on-the-fly ram unlock?
@http, fail in it's biggest form. who knows how long we can use AT+XAPP. Leobruh 11:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)!
Baseband and Bootloader Downgrader tool request
Someone needs to write a baseband downgrader with this to allow normal restores again. And what really needs to be done is a bootloader downgrader, 5.8 FTW geohot 16:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- in the 25C3 presentation "Hacking the iPhone" MuscleNerd did say that the iphone 3g has fakeblank but it uses a hash to verify the bootloader and Fuzzyband_Downgrader does a good Baseband_Firmware downgrade --liamchat 17:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
@geohot, would the 5.8BL downgrade work on the 3GS because it uses X-Gold 5.8? but doesnt the bootloader get checked everytime by the baseband and vice-versa? another exploit like the one for the 3.6/4.9 for the 2G would be needed correct? Leobruh 17:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)!
- no the bootloader is now in rom so it cannot be overwritten and the old iphone 2g exploit's where used to bypass secpack restriction's allowing the modification of the bootloader and Firmware --liamchat 18:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- @Leobruh: Nope. All iPhone 3GS units have the X-Gold 608, but they have the newest baseband bootloader (6.4), which isn't susceptible to the baseband-downgrading exploit. Only very old iPhone 3G units have said exploit.
- @Liamchat: To my knowledge, the bootloader does not reside in ROM; otherwise, it'd be considered (part of) the bootrom, no? ;) The X-Gold 608 bootrom does check the bootloader to ensure it's not modified, though. --Dialexio 19:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- it does say on paragraph 6 in the 25C3 presentation "Hacking the_iPhone"#Part 2: Baseband .28by_MuscleNerd.29 that the bootloader is not in nor and why does apple not update all devices to 6.4 preventing downgrade --liamchat 20:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- "the bootloader is alway's in the NOR" says otherwise. Apple never updates the bootloader in firmware updates because it's considered rather dangerous. --Dialexio 20:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- it does say on paragraph 6 in the 25C3 presentation "Hacking the_iPhone"#Part 2: Baseband .28by_MuscleNerd.29 that the bootloader is not in nor and why does apple not update all devices to 6.4 preventing downgrade --liamchat 20:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
GPS Issues on iPhone 3G/3GS
I read somewhere today that the newest version of redsn0w fixes the GPS issues that have been plaguing 3G/3GS devices with 6.15.00. Truth or false? --rdqronos 13:42, 22 October 2011 (MDT)
- False. That was just a misunderstanding of iPhone Dev Team's update #14 of redsn0w update release comment. They said "Update #14: We’ve released version 0.9.9b6 of redsn0w, with [...] For iPhone3GS owners with the 06.15 baseband, this redsn0w eliminates the network crash you saw when using Location Services in iOS5 (in fact, you don’t even need to disable Location Services anymore during the initial setup)." Some blogs misinterpreted this as the GPS problem being fixed. You need to downgrade the baseband to fix it and no downgrade tool has been released yet. -- http 15:02, 22 October 2011 (MDT)
Ah. And this is why I asked :) Thanks man. --rdqronos 18:03, 22 October 2011 (MDT)
