Talk:Models

Removed models

Dialexio, you removed some models. I created the list based on infos in this wiki. I didn't know though if every storage size exists with every color and every combination with both bootroms. Based on what info did you remove the non-existent rows? It seems you removed too many of them. I just saw that my old 3GS, black, new bootrom, 32GB, is a MC133 and is no more listed. Can you please re-check those you removed? Thanks. -- http 07:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. For some reason, I was thinking that only 8 GB units had the new bootrom at that time. :s --Dialexio 15:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Another model number

I think on this page we should also add the other model numbers (like the A1332 for the iPhone 4 black) somehow. How are they related? -- http 15:24, 13 October 2011 (MDT)

They are added in the meantime. --http 00:28, 31 October 2012 (MDT)

iPhone 4S

According to the iFitIt Teardown, the model number for the iPhone 4S is A1387... --5urd 07:23, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

For which 4S model? Color, memory? Or for all the same? Do you know more? -- http 10:59, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

Well, the teardown is black... I am guessing sinse they dont use the devices, it would be 8GB... But A1387 sounds like the hardware model, not the device model that starts with MB or MC... So all iPhone 4S's may be A1387... --5urd 15:37, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

I also have an A1387. I would like to add this number in the list as well. But currently I have no infos. We don't know if this model is different for different memory, color, bootrom, production facility, or for what. Please post here, if you know more or if you have other numbers. This number is engraved on the phone itself (backside). There's also a code "EMC 2430". Let us know if you have a different number there. -- http 05:05, 23 December 2011 (MST)

My A1387 is also EMC 2430. It's a black AT&T 16GB beej 09:24, 23 December 2011 (MST)

iPad 3 and Apple TV 3G

MD328LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 16GB WHITE – USA
MC705LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 16GB BLACK - USA
MD329LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 32GB WHITE – USA
MD706LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 32GB BLACK - USA
MD330LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 64GB WHITE - USA
MC707LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 64GB BLACK - USA

MD366LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 4G 16GB BLACK - USA
MD369LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 16GB WHITE - USA
MD367LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 4G 32GB BLACK - USA
MD370LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 32GB WHITE - USA
MD368LL/A – IPAD WI-FI 4G 64GB BLACK - USA
MD371LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 64GB WHITE - USA

MD098LL/A – APPLE DIGITAL AV ADAPTER
MD199LL/A – APPLE TV – USA

--5urd 19:43, 9 March 2012 (MST)

And because Verizon Wireless must get their own special version, causing everybody more headaches…

MC733LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 16GB BLACK - USA
MD363LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 16GB WHITE - USA
MC744LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 32GB BLACK - USA
MD364LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 32GB WHITE - USA
MC756LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 64GB BLACK - USA
MD365LL/A - IPAD WI-FI 4G 64GB WHITE - USA

--Dialexio 20:04, 9 March 2012 (MST)

So would I be right in assuming that the ones on mine are AT&T --5urd 23:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)

Yeah. --Dialexio 00:41, 10 March 2012 (MST)

Cutting up the table

In direct contrast to what I'd like to do on the Firmware page, I would like to divide this table by device type. I feel that it'd be a bit easier to maintain (and perhaps find information) if we had different tables for Apple TVs, iPads, iPad minis(?), iPhones, and iPod touches. --Dialexio 22:22, 30 October 2012 (MDT)

I would like to keep the basic structure of the table as it is. But yes, it may be separated by device type, as this is the left-most column and therefore wouldn't change anything. --http 00:24, 31 October 2012 (MDT)

Done --5urd 16:32, 31 October 2012 (MDT)

iPhone 5 China

Please see Apple KB HT3939. There is no GSM model it is just CDMA. --iAdam1n (talk) 08:37, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps this topic requires more information, particularly from somebody with an A1442 iPhone. At this time, there are two carriers in China that offer the iPhone: China Telecom and China Unicom.[1] Apple's online store suggests they have two models: the China Unicom model is GSM-unlocked, while the China Telecom model (the one with the new ME model numbers) is locked. Since China Telecom's model is locked and they have a CDMA network, it may be possible that the A1442 model is a CDMA-only variant. However, http://www.apple.com.cn/iphone/specs.html does mention that all models have support for various HSPA technologies, and it doesn't seem plausible for Apple to go out of their way to remove GSM functionality from a design that can already handle GSM and CDMA connections. Plus, it's not entirely clear if it can actually be unlocked in the future (a la Verizon and the iPhone 4S). --Dialexio (talk) 09:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That is strange as the two website contradict each other. I think we should wait for someone with one too. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me provide some insight on the internals here. Internally, the baseband chip is able to support both GSM and CDMA. It's up to the baseband firmware to choose what to use. There are two IPSWs for each release as one contains the baseband firmware to support the GSM LTE bands in the United States. The other (Global) contains the baseband firmware to support the GSM bands outside of the United States and the CDMA bands across the world (where the iPhone 5 has been release). This means that all devices support GSM. So, even if the device was released in China where it is only CDMA (and the device was modified to only work on China CDMA), the Global firmware still contains GSM support.
That's just my though here. The only exception here would be if the China iPhone 5 didn't work with both iPhone5,1 and iPhone5,2 firmwares, but it does (iPhone5,2). --5urd (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

iPhone 5s China

There are also currently at least two 5s versions in China (http://store.apple.com/cn/buy-iphone/iphone5s)

• WCDMA/GSM iPhone A1528 (for China Unicom ??)
• iPhone A1533 (for China Telecom ??)

Just as reference I have a A1457 (got it in Germany), but it will not connect to the new 4G LTE in China Mobile network (even so I have a LTE sim card). According to China Mobile the A1530 (Hongkong version) can be used possibly in LTE (China Mobile) mode.--M2m (talk) 08:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/ as reference. --M2m (talk) 08:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Finding new devices.

I was wondering how do you find the new device numbers like iPhone5,2? I know there is an info.plist but I'm not sure where it is located. Does this one update itself or what? --iAdam1n (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Connector

So how do we add the iAccy1,2, A1438, with the S5L8747 everywhere? It's not running iOS, but still belongs into this wiki I think. --http (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think that setting up the adapter's page similarly to the baseband pages (at iAccy1,2? I don't think it belongs on the SoC's page) would work best. The page can have a blurb about the accessory, a list of known firmware versions, and then the OTA updates. --Dialexio (talk) 01:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Bootrom versions.

How do w check the bootrom version of A5+? --iAdam1n (talk) 23:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The same way as always: DFU Mode. The S5L8942 (at least the one found in the Apple TV 3G) doesn't report a bootrom version, however. --Dialexio (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

System Profiler on Mac does not show it for iPod touch 5. --iAdam1n (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

iPhone3,2

Do we actually know that these are model numbers for the iPhone3,2, or is this just blind speculation like what happened with identifying the S5L8947? --Dialexio (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

From store.apple.com. They are legit. --iAdam1n (talk) 22:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

They could still be iPhone3,1 models though… The iPad2,4 case was about this simple, but Apple likes using a lot of various model numbers for each iPhone (much more than an iPad, anyways). Maybe I'm being too paranoid about this though. (Something to note is that some of the listed model numbers overlap with the iPhone3,1.) --Dialexio (talk) 04:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Deleted them. I just left the ME as they are different. --iAdam1n (talk) 07:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

iPhone BOARD REVISION

oh? what exactly changed between the two models? --Haifisch (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

The differences are between Network and Wi-Fi parts maybe something else i not know. Wites OM Tesla 22:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC+3)

I'm very sorry but i have to remove this information i don't want it to be here it must remain private iTesla (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2016 (UTC+2)

What are the real names for old iPhone versions?

Does someone know what are the real names of old iPhones? I'm developing hardware step-by-step solutions and I write in each, for example, "iPhone 2G No Backlight Solution". Is this the real name or is is "iPhone 1" or even just "iPhone"? Same thing for the iPhone 3G because, as we all know, it's the second generation, not the third. Then the third generation, we call "iPhone 3GS". I'm very confused about what to call the old models. Maybe we should call them these instead:

iPhone 1
iPhone 2
iPhone 3
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
...

--iTesla (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

The first iPhone was just called "iPhone". Then the second generation came around, and Apple dubbed it the "iPhone 3G" because it added support for 3G networks (compared to the original supporting just EDGE (2.5G)). It's unclear when the original was dubbed the "iPhone 2G" (after the 3G or 3GS), but the "2G" moniker was added because: (1) it came before the 3G, and (2) EDGE, although 2.5G, is sometimes called 2G because it came before 3G.
After the "iPhone 3G" was the "iPhone 3GS" ("S" standing for "speed" due to a faster processor and more RAM). After that was the "iPhone 4", then the "iPhone 4S" ("S" not for processor "speed" this time, but probably because a newer processor is inherently faster at the same clock rate). After that was the "iPhone 5", then the (note the lowercase letters) "iPhone 5s" (again, "s" for "speed") and "iPhone 5c" ("c" for "color"). After those, we got the "iPhone 6" and the "iPhone 6 Plus" ("plus" because it's bigger).
Hope that clears things up for you. --5urd (talk) 20:56, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I think I will leave it as is. --iTesla (talk) 21:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

"Variant" column

The "Variant" column is mostly redundant. For nearly every device, it is just the device identifier due to a change that was instated ages ago. Thus, I would like to remove this column from all the tables. There is one minor problem though: the first generation iPad. The "Variant" column is actually used for this, but isn't redundant because the Wi-Fi and 3G variants share the same identifier. This issue does need to be addressed before we proceed with removing the columns. --Dialexio (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Alternative layout?

The use of tables here is just bad. There's no consistency in the width of the tables; There's the Apple Watch which takes up the full width of my screen while the iPad mini only takes up half. It's iPhone and iPad mini all over again. In addition, the text towards the left of the table is vertically aligned instead of being at the top. It looks good on tables such as the Apple TV, but on ones like the iPad and iPhone, it's bad IMHO. How does this example for the Apple TV look?

Apple TV

Apple TV (2nd generation)

AppleTV2,1 - K66AP

• "A" Number: A1378
• Bootrom: Bootrom 574.4
• FCC ID: BCGA1378
• Models
  • Black - 8GB: MC572

Apple TV (3rd generation)

AppleTV3,1 - J33AP

• "A" Number: A1427
• Bootrom: ROM
• FCC ID: BCGA1427
• Models
  • Black - 8GB: MD199

AppleTV3,2 - J33IAP

• "A" Number: A1469
• Bootrom: Bootrom 1458.2
• FCC ID: BCGA1469
• Models
  • Black - 8GB: MD199

Apple TV (4th generation)

AppleTV5,3 - J42dAP

• "A" Number: A1625
• Bootrom: Bootrom 1992.0.0.1.19
• FCC ID: BCGA1625
• Models
  • Black - 32GB: MGY52, ML4W2, MR912
  • Black - 64GB: MLNC2

--5urd (talk) 22:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I much rather the table layout like is there now because it is neater and is easier to read. I don't like the sections like listed above as it isn't so neat or easy to read. I don't see any issue with how it is now but we could always limit the width on the table so they don't take up all the width if it gets really annoying. --iAdam1n (talk) 23:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Tables look far better with this amount of information, I hate the above list view and I see no reason to change it. — Spydar007 (Talk) 07:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I think keeping tables would be better. Although we do use a similar layout for pages like List of iPhones, that was implemented because the page content was overflowing horizontally (i.e. there was a horizontal scrollbar). The tables here aren't doing that, and probably won't unless we need to add a bunch of new columns. I do agree that they could look cleaner/better though. --Dialexio (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)