User talk:Liamchat

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KBAGs

Hello, Liamchat! I noticed that you've been adding KBAGs to the key pages. I certainly appreciate the addition of such information, but just listing KBAGs without mentioning which file they're for isn't exactly helpful. Would you mind mentioning which file each KBAG is for? --Dialexio 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

i added them because i don't have those devices and i think it may help people get the key's if i add them however the exact is

• 018-7074-092.dmg:
• 018-7082-092.dmg:
• DeviceTree.n90ap.img3:
• LLB.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
• applelogo-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• batterycharging0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• batterycharging1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• batteryfull-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• batterylow0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• batterylow1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• glyphcharging-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• glyphplugin-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
• iBEC.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
• iBSS.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
• iBoot.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
• kernelcache.release.n81:
• recoverymode-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:

--liamchat 22:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Ban liamchat request

Basic discussion

There is a petition going on to ban liamchat from this wiki. I'm not sure how serious it is and nobody can vote for him there. So please comment here, pro and contra, preferrably with arguments. I think five users more against him with serious arguments would be enough. --http 22:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

??? Why would you ban him? I havn't seen anything wrong he has done... Please give more info... --Balloonhead66 22:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand it ether but I do help by filling in the missing keys and check the Current ones --liamchat 22:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Just to make it clear: Nobody will be banned just because others don't like someone. For a ban we need a clear majority of people with good arguments. --http 22:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Please give evidence of deleting / filling in wrong data. Single mistakes can happen. And his problems on IRC are unrelated to this wiki. --http 21:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm someone who wants him banned. My name is Fike here on the net. He constantly spams IRC networks with all types of shit... I had quite a job getting rid of him from Sauriks server, but I did it. He alsdo takes other peoples nicks, for instance "cj"'s nick was taken on sauriks server. cj couldn't ghost it, because services weren't online. And I've heard from numerous people he adds inaccurate information here on the wiki. My 2 cents. --Fike 20:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Lets not forget that you spammed my wiki... --Balloonhead66 23:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Table

Please fill out this table with info... use {{yes|Pro}} for a pro, {{no|Con}} for a con, or {{partial|Somewhat}} for a ehh... in the first column

Pro/Con	What it is	Evidence	Adder
Pro	He helps out this wiki alot	Special:Contributions/Liamchat	Balloonhead66
Pro	He helps overall, but could take a little break every so often and learn more about orginizing.	Many pages	JacobVengeance
Somewhat	He needs to work on formatting	/dev	Balloonhead66
Pro	He tested software to help developers	Talk:PwnPie	liamchat
Pro	He finished the transcript of the 25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone	25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone	liamchat
Pro	He added iv/keys that where old and ignored	Timberline 5G77a (iPod touch 2G)	liamchat
Pro	He help's people when they ask on the wiki	Talk:AES Keys	liamchat
Con	He has stolen keys from users like GreySyntax and often posts useless/incorrect keys. He also deletes proper info and cites the Wiki for everything. Finally, his KBAGS aren't needed.	[Citation Needed]	vexenon
Con	For several times he has posted wrong keys in the wiki. Deletes correct info replacing it with he's own. (Apart from being a major spammer and general annoyance at IRC)	[Citation Needed]	Z00L
Con	He does not follow the proper format for posting keys.	JasperVail 8C148 (iPhone 4) a few revisions ago	User:Dra1nerdrake

stolen keys

can you give evidence of which keys are the stolen keys because i use PwnPie to grab my keys and only greysyntax can say i stole his keys --liamchat 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

useless/incorrect keys

i check every key i post and use the kbag's as evidence to prove it works --liamchat 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Where? I personally have tested almost all VFDecrypt keys he has posted and they are correct --Balloonhead66 00:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Kernelcache keys for wrong AP posted (expected: n90; actual:k48) [1] [2] Note that keys were correct, but not for the target AP. A4 firmware is tricky ;)

Conclusions

I can see a lot of haters and some problems. I don't think we should ban him for what he has done. What seems to be proven for me is that he wants to make himself important. He is clearly no hacker and hasn't contributed any real value in this wiki. But this applies to many others also (maybe also to me?)

I think this should be a warning to him: Please be very careful with all your next edits, especially page additions. Better ask on the talk page if others agree with you before you edit. For keys pages use the standard template and avoid multiple edits. Also, please watch what you do outside of this wiki (tools, IRC, etc). I won't judge you for that, but others do.

For the haters: Please tell him friendly what he does wrong. And/or tell me and I'll tell it to him. I could forbid him to change any keys pages for example or to make more than one edit per day or whatever. Depending on how big the problem is. And it is clear that if he doesn't obey any given rules what I can do.

Let's forgive him all his mistakes of the past and treat him as a new user for now. And remember to tell me if it doesn't work. So I'll close this discussion for now and I will treat this case as solved, expecting adult, friendly behavior from all sides.

We can delete and/or archive this discussion in a while. --http 00:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well said, mate! :) --Dialexio 00:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit Wars

• Opinion - "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." [3]

One doesn't need evidence to state an opinion. For example, I can safely go around saying, "Cookies taste good," without proof and no one will bash me for it. THEREFORE, the entries in the above table should NOT be edited by anyone other than their author, as that is their opinion. You can't make me think that red isn't a good color anymore than I can make you enjoy using hairspray.

My point is, it's someone's opinion and you can't change it.

Therefore, </edit-war> --dra1nerdrake 00:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I like your thinking. I agree 100%

P.S: I object your "Cookies taste good" since I'm always right ;P

--Ifish 00:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. ~drake

also can we remove the mentioning of greysyntax he never said i stole his keys --liamchat 15:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Template for keys

Hi liamchat! It's nice if you post new keys pages. But could you use the standard format (template), I mean like JasperVail 8C134 (iPhone_3GS), instead of this new page from you? Preferrably without the KBAGs (until all agreed that we want them). This way you save us some reformatting work and you'll have less haters. Thanks! --http 23:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

ok when I grab the keys it reads the restore.plist and places them in the order that apple use however I do think i can change that also I will remove the kbag field --liamchat 00:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Not only the order, also the titles, etc. --http

On your new page Jasper 8C148 (iPad) you did it again. Please update it according to the template. Thanks. --http 19:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

ok i am trying to incorporate the template into the program, i am editing them now --liamchat 19:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You have been warned before that you have to use the template. And even after my message above you posted another one not following the rules. Please understand that you have to play nice with others. There is no race to be the first here. As a consequence you have been blocked for a day to think about this. Next time it's more than a day. I hope you understand that. -- http 20:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

How do you get your keys?

You may or may not realize it, but you can only get iPhone 4 keys with an iPhone 4. Likewise, you can only get iPad keys with an iPad. So on and so on. This is because each device has a unique AES engine. If you have been posting iPhone 4 keys by running your shell script with an iPod touch 2G or anything else than an iPhone 4, you've been posting incorrect keys and I'd appreciate it if you tested them with xpwn to see if they give you binaries or gobbledygook. In the case of the latter, please remove the keys that are incorrect but leave the pages intact, as I've just reformatted some of them. --dra1nerdrake 20:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if devices share the same applications processor, they can also decrypt each others' KBAGs. ;) (i.e.- iPod touch 1G can fetch iPhone 3G keys because they both use the S5L8900, and the iPhone 4 can fetch iPod touch 4G keys because they both use the S5L8930.)

But yeah... If the applications processor is different, you can't get the KBAGs like tht. (i.e.- The iPod touch 2G uses the S5L8720 while the iPhone 3GS uses the S5L8920, so you cannot get 3GS keys with an iPod touch 2G.) --Dialexio 20:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)